"We may have to shoot down this aircraft" politico.com, 9/5/2019 -- Introducing the book to be released 9/10/19: "The Only Plane in the Sky: An Oral History of 9/11" ... "including the first-ever interview with the Navy officer who ultimately asked Cheney for authority to shoot down hijacked airliners." Is that our friend who evaded Jeff Hill's questions in his telephone interview? See the transcript at Loose Change Forums. (On reading the book, I find the "Navy officer" was somebody else entirely. There was no mention of Doug Cochrane.) "'Do the Orders Still Stand?' Who was he?" by jimd3100, 7/28/2010, 911blogger.com (seen also at pumpitout forum). You may remember Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta testified about a "young man" who asked V.P. Cheney if the orders still stand... as in "stand down?" ... perhaps. Since the V.P. had no authority to authorize military action and the president was on Air Force One NOT giving the order until 10:20, 14-17 minutes after the plane "crashed" -- depending on either the seismic data (10:06 impact) or the 9/11 Commission data (10:03). Besides, the plane was never "50 miles out" as Mineta described the interaction between Cochrane and Cheney, because Shanksville is 127 miles away from Washington! Were they talking about the Pengaton plane, Flight 77 at a different time? This seems possible.
[Don't] see the Doug Cochrane classified interview on the subject of "draft timeline to shoot down order and calls between the VP and POTUS and reports of inbound aircraft." The 9/11 Commission Report is the authoritative narrative, as Cochrane told Jeff Hill, however his interview noted by the Commission is classified top secret for national security.
Yet on p. 200 of "The Only Plane in the Sky," we can read about an interesting Flight 93 crash witness. But first a quote from another source on the web to introduce other parts of his story... that have been told. Shanksville area resident Eric Peterson:
rushed to the scene on an all-terrain vehicle and when he arrived he saw bits and pieces of an airliner spread over a large area of an abandoned strip-mine in Stonycreek Township. 'There was a crater in the ground that was really burning,' Peterson said. Strewn about were pieces of clothing hanging from trees and parts of the Boeing 757, but nothing bigger than a couple of feet long, he said. Many of the items were burning. Peterson said he saw no bodies, but there also was no sign of life.
- Jonathan D. Silver "Day of Terror: Outside Tiny Shanksville, a Fourth Deadly Stroke," Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, September 12, 2001.
Letters, mail, and one of the burned/melted plastic containers from the U.S. Postal Service (since 2,858 pounds of mail were aboard) were found. See images at the memorial website. I don't know where exactly the burned plastic fragment was found, but mail was found up to 8 miles away.
I don't know how long it took Peterson to get there -- a minute or two I guess -- but the book I mentioned above quotes him:
Eric Peterson, resident, Stonycreek Township: When I got up there, there was actually still pieces of mail and stuff like that falling from the sky.
"Residents of nearby Indian Lake reported seeing debris falling from the jetliner as it overflew the area shortly before crashing. State police Maj. Lyle Szupinka said investigators also will be searching a pond behind the crash site looking for the other recorder and other debris. If necessary, divers may be brought in to assist search teams, or the pond may be
drained, he said. Szupinka said searchers found one of the large engines from the aircraft 'at a considerable distance from the crash site.'"
Another source says, "'I found a lot of parts,' said Marshall, who was awarded a 2000 Law Enforcement Agency Directors award for identifying a man nearly four years after he was found murdered.
'The biggest part I found was one of the plane's engines. It was about 600 yards from the crash site itself. I think they took it out with a winch on a bulldozer.'"
- Cached from: "Flight 93 probe involved trooper with local ties," by Joe Pinchot, The Herald, Sharon, PA, 10/8/2001.
See also the 2002 article from the UK Independent, "Unanswered questions: The mystery of Flight 93: We all know the inspiring story of Flight 93, of the heroic passengers who forced the hijacked plane to the ground, sacrificing themselves to save the lives of others. The only trouble is: it may simply not be true. John Carlin reports from Shanksville, Pennsylvania" 13 August 2002. The engine, they say, was 2,000 YARDS away from the crater.
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